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Rusk XXXX, Dean Rusk interviewed by Richard Rusk and Thomas Schoenbaum, 1985 October

Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research and Studies, University of Georgia
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00:00:22 - Strategic trade control

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Partial Transcript: Pop, why don't we start off with weapons sales...

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about weapons sales to Europe after World War II, mentioning the dollar gap and the U.S. trade deficit. He describes NATO's Coordinating Committee on Export Controls, which established early trade controls to target the Soviet Union. Rusk talks about maintaining U.S. technological advantage and about patent disputes between the USSR and the United States.

Keywords: COCOM; Export-Import Bank; Gromyko; NATO; Soviet Union; USSR; WWII; foreign exchange

00:08:57 - Arms trade in less developed countries

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Partial Transcript: Now, in Latin America we had a somewhat different problem.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk explains how U.S. military aid agreements helped decrease Latin American states' military expenditures and increase weapons modernization. He discusses the Alliance for Peace, arms proliferation in less developed countries, nuclear-free zones, the Kashmir issue, and Russian competition in the arms market.

Keywords: Africa; Alliance for Progress; India; Kashmir; Latin america; Mountbatten; Pakistan; Treaty of Tlatelolco; arms race; balance of trade; disarmament; export balance; military industrial complex; security dilemma

00:22:52 - Regional economic unions

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Partial Transcript: Let me change the subject and talk about another aspect of international law.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about U.S. support for regional economic unions like the Organization of African States and Latin American Free Trade Association. He encourages the consolidation of European economies and politics. Rusk proposes a system for international aid based on relative wealth rather than numeric thresholds of development. He emphasizes the diversity within Latin America and Africa, and he talks about the Auto Pact, which increased trade between the United States and Canada.

Keywords: Eisenhower; European Common Market; GATT; General Agreements on Tariffs and Trade; Johnson; Kennedy; Kwame Nkrumah; LAFTA; OAS; Punta del Este; less developed countries; most favored nation status; pan-africanism; protectionism

00:36:19 - Controlling the international "population explosion"

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Partial Transcript: My question for you is: What implications has the "population explosion" for international law?

Segment Synopsis: Rusk describes the change in U.S and international family planning policy in the 1950s and '60s, and he mentions his work with the Rockefeller Foundation on population control. Rusk discusses issues in demography including Indira Gandhi's sterilization program, infanticide in China, and the Catholic Church's anti-contraceptive stance. He talks about immigration from Jamaica and Mexico, promoting a guest worker program and considering the call for immigrants to learn English.

Keywords: Catholicism; Fulbright; India; Kennedy; Nixon; birth control; birth rate; contraception; contraceptives; foreign aid; human rights

00:50:03 - Barriers to family planning / Rusk's views on abortion

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Partial Transcript: As Secretary did you raise this issue of population explosion...

Segment Synopsis: Rusk discusses population control, mentioning the need for demographic studies, international forums like the UN's Bucharest World Population Conference, and inexpensive birth control pills. He addresses the impact of masculinity on sex practices and family planning. Rusk emphasizes the need to create policy based on women's views on abortion, and he denies that abortion should be illegal in the U.S. Rusk mentions that population growth is unsustainable due to resource scarcity.

Keywords: Antonio Carillo Flores Florence; Catholicism; India; Mexico; NIR; Reagan; Rockefeller Foundation; birth rate; contraception; machismo; natural increase rate; oil; resources