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Rusk WWWWW, Dean Rusk interviewed by Richard Rusk, Part 1, 1986 January

Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research and Studies, University of Georgia
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00:00:12 - Manchukuo

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Partial Transcript: Pop, we're asking for the reaction of Harry Truman and Dean Acheson to your famous Slavik Manchukuo speech...

Segment Synopsis: Rusk claims that his speech restated policy on China, but added an element of shaming. He says it was criticized for its terseness.

Keywords: Chiang Kai Shek; Chinese civil war; McCarthy; Taiwan

00:06:43 - Panmunjon talks / US relations with China and Taiwan

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Partial Transcript: What about the truce talks at Panmunjon?

Segment Synopsis: Rusk discusses pressure to make the Panmunjon negotiations public, the influence of Congress and the press on diplomacy, and the U.S. goal at the end of the Korean War. Rusk talks about Eisenhower's relations with Taiwan and Chiang Kai-shek and discusses the competency of the Taiwanese and Chinese forces.

Keywords: Chiang Kai-shek; China; Douglas MacArthur; North Korea; Taiwan; Truman

00:14:47 - "The Republic of China" at the UN / Biological warfare

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Partial Transcript: Talking about an article that Chester [Bliss]
Bowles had sent you, Pop...

Segment Synopsis: Rusk explains that based on membership documents, which China should be represented at the UN was ambiguous. He discusses his preference for a "two Chinas" approach that would allow the mainland and Taiwan to participate as separate nations. Rusk discusses the dangers of biological weapons and the Rockefeller Foundation's research on vaccinations and bioweapon prevention. Rusk explains that the rejection of the two China policy was based on Kennedy's perception of his domestic support.

Keywords: CBRN; Chiang Kai-shek; Committee of the Million; Mao Tse-tung; WMD; biochemical; biological agents; communism; nationalism; weapons of mass destruction; wheat rust

00:24:02 - The failure of the two China policy

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Partial Transcript: Again, your attitudes on China in the early 1960s.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk provides details about the governments of Mao Tse-Tung and Chiang Kai-Shek. He explains that the rejection of the two China policy was based on Kennedy's perception of his domestic support.

Keywords: Committee of the Million; Mao Zedong; Peking; communism

00:31:20 - The Indian-Chinese conflict / Nehru's India

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Partial Transcript: The Indian-Chinese conflict along India's
northeastern border during the early sixties started, I think, largely as a border dispute.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk categorizes the Indian-Chinese conflict as an escalated border dispute, claiming China never sought to conquer India. Rusk says US support to India improved the two states' relationship despite Nehru's arrogance and moodiness. He describes Nehru's India as a colonial government.

Keywords: John Kenneth Galbraith; McMahon line; colonialism

00:42:37 - Derecognition of Taiwan, normalization of China

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Partial Transcript: I've got a question about the Chinese Civil War and our unwillingness to intervene or our inability to intervene

Segment Synopsis: Rusk claims that the US did not have the ability or will to solve the Chinese conflict with military intervention. He chronicles the "derecognization" of Taiwan and the normalization of relations with the People's republic of China. Rusk comments that he was able to change his views because there was no longer a military threat against Taiwan on the '70s.

Keywords: Carter; Cy Vance; Cyrus Vance; Dean Acheson; Edgar Snow; Ford; McCarthyism; Nixon; Peking; Shanghai communique

00:52:10 - Orientalism / Aid to China / Support for India

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Partial Transcript: What about this thinking of the Oriental, this so called inscrutability, the idea that east and west can never meet?

Segment Synopsis: Rusk compares his views on foreign policy with those of scholar John Kenneth Galbraith. He outlines arguments for donating food to China, but notes that the policy did not come to fruition. Rusk explains why liberals supported India over China in the Indian-Chinese conflict.

Keywords: Alexis Johnson; Chester Bliss Bowles; Peking; foreign aid