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Rusk WWWW, Dean Rusk interviewed by Richard Rusk and Thomas Schoenbaum, circa 1985

Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research and Studies, University of Georgia
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00:00:06 - Getting arrested abroad / Wives of foreign ambassadors

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Partial Transcript: Very often you will hear senators talk about the special role of the Senate with regard to Foreign Relations.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk describes the rights of U.S. citizens when they travel abroad and says that they voluntarily submit themselves to the laws and jurisdiction of the country that they are visiting. The state department can only help an arrested U.S. citizen in a foreign country under the framework of the jurisdiction of that country. He also talks about how the wives of foreign ambassadors could sometimes do a great deal for their country's representation when they came to Washington because of their beauty or charm.

Keywords: China; Consular officers; George Marshall; income taxes; sex scandals

00:12:21 - Discussion of John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and resting

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Partial Transcript: I'll bet just the beauty of Jackie Kennedy must have had a great deal to do with the closeness of our Latin American relations during the Kennedy years.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses his relationship with Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson. He talks about the importance of being able to take brief moments of rest when working in the White House, and days that Kennedy, Johnson, and himself sometimes took brief naps during a busy day.

Keywords: Costa Rica; Gus Peleuses; Jackie Kennedy; Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev; Paris, France

00:21:04 - Social gatherings in the White House

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Partial Transcript: There were so many official functions to attend.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses embassy dinners and other social gatherings in the White House, and talks about the special protocol that must be used at these events.

Keywords: Averell Harriman; Charles de Gaulle; Clare Luce; Congress of Vienna; Diplomatic Corps; Henry Luce; Jawarharlal Nehru; Vijaya Pandit

00:34:01 - LBJ's plane incident / Courtesy in diplomacy

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Partial Transcript: Where was either Angler Biddle Duke or you, the day that LBJ flew to the Vatican and landed in his helicopter in the Pope's garden and scattered the flowers all over the place, and proceeded to give the Pope a personal bust of himself?

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk talks about a time when Indian fighter planes tried to intercept Lyndon Johnson's airplane because of a miscommunication. He also discusses the importance of treating others with courtesy and using formalities in diplomatic communication.

Keywords: Andrei Gromyko; Dwight Eisenhower; Geneva Disarmament Conference; Laos Conference; Richard Nixon; U.N. Affairs

00:41:05 - Discussion of Charles de Gaulle / Importance of local customs

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Partial Transcript: Pop, before we move to something else, any anecdotal types of comments on, perhaps, statesmen noticeably deficient in the arts of statesmanship and diplomacy?

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses some statesmen that were deficient in the art of diplomacy, mentioning Charles de Gaulle (Co-Prince of Andorra and Prime Minister of France) in particular. Rusk describes de Gaulle as "frigid" and difficult to talk to. He also talks the importance of respecting local customs when conducting business in foreign countries.

Keywords: African chieftains; Ayatollah; Dwight Eisenhower; Jawaharlal Nehru; John Kennedy; Lai Bahadur Shastri'; Lyndon B. Johnson; Nuclear Test Ban Treaty

00:53:20 - Diplomatic immunity

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Partial Transcript: Where do we go from here? We started out on the issues of diplomacy, human rights. I did raise the question of diplomatic immunity, the problems this creates in Washington.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses the concept of diplomatic immunity, which states that a diplomat cannot be arrested and tried in the host country's courts, but they can be expelled from the country.

Keywords: embassies; parking; traffic regulations