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Rusk UUUUU, Dean Rusk interviewed by Richard Rusk and John Haag, Part 1, 1986 January

Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research and Studies, University of Georgia
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00:00:20 - Early experiences with Germany

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Partial Transcript: My interest in Germany came from two principle sources.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk talks about his early years learning German and living in Germany as a student. He discusses the influence of the Nazi Party and Adolf Hitler during his rise to power.

Keywords: "Mein Kampf"; Black Forest; Davidson College; Hochschule fur Politik; Professor Guy Vowles; Professor Viktor Bruns; Reichstag fire; Rhodes Scholarship; Socialism; Treaty of Versailles; University of Berlin; Weimar Republic; emergency powers; international law; labor unions; the University of Hamburg

00:07:14 - Effect of Nazism on host family / Impressions of Germany while living in the U.S.

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Partial Transcript: The family you stayed with, their name was Kammerer.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses how the changes in Germany affected the members of his host family, the Kammerers, in Neubabelsberg. Later, he talks about his thoughts on Germany as he grew up in Georgia, starting from his youth during World War I.

Keywords: Adolf Hitler; Camp McPherson; German inflation; German war reparations; Kristallnacht; Nazi Party; SS motorcycle brigade; Schutzstaffel motorcycle brigade; Treaty of Versailles; WW1; WW2; WWI; WWII; World War 1; World War 2; World War II; the Allies

00:14:53 - German culture

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Partial Transcript: Once you got to Germany, what was your strongest impression?

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk talks about his impressions of Germany. He focuses on the ways that Germany feels like America and on their political philosophy.

Keywords: Alfred Rosenberg; Anglo-Saxon; Christmas; German national character; Plato; Weihnachskind Day; metaphysics; raison d'etat; romantic mysticism; the State

00:19:25 - Reunification of Germany

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Partial Transcript: I think the world is safer with Germany as an intimate member of NATO with its armed forces in effect under NATO command.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses the possibility of reunifying Germany. He talks about potential problems and makes predictions about the future.

Keywords: Adolf Hitler; Berlin Wall; East Germany; Federal Republic of Germany; Four Power Agreement on Berlin; Four-Power Authorities; German Democratic Republic; Leningrad; Nazi Party; North Atlantic Treaty Organization; Nuclear Test Ban Treaty; Oder-Neisse line; Paul von Hindenburg; Socialism; WW1; WW2; WWI; WWII; West Germany; World War 1; World War 2; World War I; World War II; romantic mysticism

00:25:37 - Views on France / Early public attitude toward Hitler

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Partial Transcript: Oh, yes, the French are very difficult to get along with, partly because they don't get along with each other.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses his experience in France and Frances' relationship to the rest of Europe. Later, he talks about the "wait-and-see" attitude that he and others held concerning Adolf Hitler's early actions as leader of Germany.

Keywords: "Mein Kampf"; German re-armament; Hitler Youth; Imperialism; Mills College; NATO; North Atlantic Treaty Organization; President Charles de Gaulle; Treaty of Versailles; World Affairs Council; dictatorship

00:31:57 - Influence of Nazism on media and professors

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Partial Transcript: Where did you get your information when you were in Germany?

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk talks about the newspapers available in Nazi Germany and the varying levels of cost and propaganda. He also discusses the effect of Nazism on different professors, telling a story about a lecture by Professor Hoesch. Finally, he briefly shares about Hitler's public relations efforts.

Keywords: Hochschule fur Politik; Joseph Paul Goebbels; Nuremberg; Paris Herald Tribune; Tempelhof Airfield; Third Reich; University of Berlin; Volkischer Beobachter; propaganda

00:38:49 - Book burning / Communism in Germany and America

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Partial Transcript: I had grown up in a very strict home here in this country and went to a college where dances were not permitted on campus.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk talks about the burning of banned books in Nazi Germany. He also relates it to certain occurrences in the U.S. Later, Dean Rusk discusses the rise of communist ideas in both Germany and the U.S. during times of economic difficulty.

Keywords: Benito Mussolini; Capitalism; Cecil Rhodes; Chester Barnard; Karl Marx; Marxism; President Franklin D. Roosevelt; President Harry S. Truman; Rockefeller Foundation; Slavs; Teutons; Weimar Republic; corporate state; inflation; master race; social democracy; the Great Depression

00:46:20 - British culture during the early 1930's

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Partial Transcript: You've done my job for me--you've given me a marvelous transition, with your permission, to go to Oxford.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses the culture of Britain during his time at the University of Oxford from 1931-1934. He focuses on the diverse nature of Oxford and the effect of World War I on the university.

Keywords: Adolf Hitler; British Empire; European unity; Isolationism; Pacifism; Prime Minister Winston Churchill; Rhodes Scholarship; The Rockefeller Foundation; WW1; WW2; WWI; WWII; Who's Who; World War 1; World War 2; World War II; decolonization; static warfare; the Great Depression; the Labor Club; the Oxford Union; trench warfare

00:55:01 - British class system

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Partial Transcript: Were they really curious about you, for example, in terms of your background and what part of the U.S. you came from?

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk shares about his experience with the British class system during his time in England. He talks about the effects of World War II on this system.

Keywords: Adolf Hitler; Aristide Briand; Martin Weener; Nazi Germany; University of Oxford; WW2WWII; World War 2; commerce; decline of Britain; stratification; trade; unification of Europe