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Rusk SSSS, Dean Rusk interviewed by Richard Rusk and Milner Ball, Part 1, 1985 September

Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research and Studies, University of Georgia
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00:00:02 - International Law in the State Department

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Partial Transcript: Second tape. Professor Milner Ball and Rich Rusk are doing the interviewing. This is September 1985. Go ahead, Pop.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk describes the trend toward placing more interest on international law in the State Department. He talks about how international law was ignored during the Bay of Pigs invasion, but was strongly used during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Keywords: Abe Chayes; Antiballistic Missile Treaty; International Court of Justice; Law of the Sea; Leonard Meeker; Ronald Reagan; Strategic Defense Initiative

00:09:27 - Law of the Sea

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Partial Transcript: Pop, do you care to comment on to what extent you have tried to influence or to what extent you have been called upon to advise the Reagan administration on these questions of international law: Nicaragua, how to respond to the International Court of Justice, Law of the Sea?

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses the United Nations Law of the Sea Treaty which was developed at the United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea which took place over several years (1973-1982).

Keywords: International Court of Justice; Reagan administration; U.S. ratification; human rights conventions

00:13:18 - Importance of teaching international law

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Partial Transcript: One of the other things that I tried to do in my classes in international law was to try to help these young lawyers anticipate a good many of the problems that they would run into as practicing lawyers: problems that reach out across our national frontiers.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses the importance of teaching international law because even lawyers practicing in small towns can face issues of international law. He describes several instances where lawyers called him to ask for advice on international law.

Keywords: Bureau of Consular Affairs; State Department; passports

00:19:56 - Teaching the art of negotiation

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Partial Transcript: Because what you're talking about now is an elaborate art form. The model for me is the kind of relationship in conversations you must have had with Gromyko that must surely have been a very elaborate, highly developed form of communication.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk describes participating in negotiations with Dean Acheson and Andrei Gromyko on different occasions. He talks about how it is difficult to teach students how to negotiate, and it is something that needs to be learned through experience.

Keywords: East Germany; Gerald Ford; Harry Truman; Richard Nixon; Strategic Arms Limitations Talks; United Nations; University of Georgia; West Germany; nuclear weapons

00:30:02 - Popularizing International Law

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Partial Transcript: Pop, let me read you your concluding paragraph here.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses his goal of popularizing international law.

Keywords: Harvard Law School; Rockefeller Foundation; University of Georgia

00:36:00 - Teaching the history of law

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Partial Transcript: I gathered last time you talked about the school of realists, or this school and that school, you haven't created a school of Ruskians.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses the importance of learning about the history of law in addition to the techniques of law in law school.

Keywords: All Souls College, Oxford; History of English Law; Law of Outer Space; Law of the Sea

00:44:04 - Return to Georgia / Civil Rights Movement

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Partial Transcript: Let me ask a question about--you raised the question about the issue of Georgia and your family.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses his return to Georgia from Washington to teach international law at the University of Georgia. He also talks about his involvement in the civil rights movement in Georgia.

Keywords: Civil Rights Act of 1964; Civil War; Franklin Roosevelt; New Deal; Robert E. Lee; Rockefeller Foundation; The Beans of December; William Sherman

00:56:10 - Decision to leave Washington

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Partial Transcript: Pop, I know more than anyone how delighted you were to leave Washington and leave decision-making in 1968.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses his decision to leave Washington after being the Secretary of State for four years.

Keywords: John F. Kennedy; Lyndon B. Johnson; Richard Nixon