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Rusk RRRRRR, Dean Rusk interviewed by Richard Rusk and Thomas Schoenbaum, Part 2, June 1986

Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research and Studies, University of Georgia
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00:00:00 - Africa and foreign aid

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Segment Synopsis: Rusk discusses foreign intervention in Africa, saying that African tradition is resistant to new ideology. He explains that Western Europe provides the majority of aid to Africa, while the United States contributes more to Latin America and Asia. Rusk praises G. Mennen Williams, former Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, and he criticizes arbitrary limits on the number of countries to which Congress approves aid.

Keywords: Monroe Doctrine; William Fulbright; colonialism; foreign aid; imperialism

00:04:39 - Prime Minister Nehru

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Partial Transcript: Turning to India for just a minute, just a couple of questions, essentially follow-up questions...

Segment Synopsis: Rusk mentions U.S. policy goals regarding Laos and talks about the conflict over Kashmir. Rusk describes Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, discussing his political leanings and his caste.

Keywords: India; Laos; Mountbatten; Pakistan

00:10:16 - Gaining Dobrynin's trust / The 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia

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Partial Transcript: The Rusk-Dobrynin channel: I wanted to ask about that.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about cultivating a relationship with Anatoly Dobrynin, Soviet Ambassador to the United States, by sharing meals and offering Dobrynin private access to his office. Rusk recalls responding to the Russian invasion of Czechoslovakia.

Keywords: Brezhnev Doctrine; Lyndon Johnson; President Johnson; SALT; diplomats

00:15:04 - Negotiating the Partial Test Ban Treaty

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Partial Transcript: ...back to your discussion with Dobrynin on the yacht regarding the Test Ban...

Segment Synopsis: Rusk outlines Nikita Khrushchev's contribution to Partial Test Ban Treaty negotiations. He describes his talks with Dobrynin, saying that they shared ideas freely and understood when the other man's positions were unofficial. Rusk talks about getting the Treaty through the Senate and recalls President Kennedy's dedication to ensuring that it was passed.

Keywords: Disarmament Subcommittee; Lewellyn Thompson; Limited Test Ban Treaty; PTBT; Russia; Senate Foreign Relations Committee; Strontium 90; black boxes

00:19:43 - Reactions to the Partial Test Ban Treaty /Rusk's visits to Moscow and Leningrad

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Partial Transcript: Yeah, and when you went to Moscow did the Russians themselves seem quite pleased with what came about?

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about his personal reaction and Russia's reaction to the Partial Test Ban Treaty. He also recalls visits to Moscow and Leningrad, where he visited the Hermitage Museum. Rusk says that he politely declined to take a picture beneath Picasso's "Dove," the symbol of the communist peace movement. He recalls how impressed he was with Leningrad and mentions that he got sprayed by a fountain at Peterhof Palace.

Keywords: Kremlin; Krushchev; Russia; history; peace; travel

00:24:52 - Characterizing Rusk and Dobrynin's relationship

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Partial Transcript: There is an indication that Dean Rusk and Anatoly Dobrynin, as well as [Andrei Andreevich] Gromyko, were all on first-name bases...

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about speaking informally and personally with Dobrynin and Gromyko. Rusk says that he had greater trust and confidence in Anatoly Dobrynin than he had had in Mikhail Menshikov. Rusk recalls that he and Dobrynin often attempted to explain their systems of government to one another, and he shares how they levied the power of the Politburo and Congress.

Keywords: communism; democracy; diplomacy; political systems

00:28:40 - Praising Hammarskjold and Lester Bowles Pearson

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Partial Transcript: I'm getting near the end. I wanted to ask about- in the Congo...

Segment Synopsis: Rusk considers possible CIA and KGB involvement in the deaths of Congolese leader Patrice Lumumba and UN Secretary General Dag Hammarskjold. Rusk indicates his respect for Hammarskjold's dedication to the UN Charter, and comments on the capability of Canadian diplomat Lester Pearson.

Keywords: Central Intelligence Agency; ICJ; Komitet Gosudarstvennoye Bezopastnosti; United Nations; assassinations; intelligence