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Rusk OOOOOO, Dean Rusk interviewed by Richard Rusk and Thomas Schoenbaum, 1986 May

Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research and Studies, University of Georgia
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00:00:08 - The Laos Crisis

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Partial Transcript: We're interviewing Dean Rusk and talking about various policies during the Kennedy administration

Segment Synopsis: Dean Risk discusses the Laos Crisis, a civil war that was in essence proxy war between Cold War superpowers, and recalls working with Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara during this time.

Keywords: Dwight Eisenhower; John Kennedy; Lyman Lemnitzer; NATO; nuclear weapons

00:08:40 - Bay of Pigs

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Partial Transcript: I wanted to turn your attention, if I may, to the Bay of Pigs just for a couple of follow-up questions that I don't think we have in the previous interview.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses his role in the Bay of Pigs Invasion in Cuba and talks about President Kennedy's reaction to it.

Keywords: Look magazine; Allen Dulles; Bay of Cochinos; CIA; Charles Cabell; Fidel Castro; Guantanamo Bay; Jacqueline Kennedy; James Fulbright; Richard Bissell

00:23:23 - Kennedy's views on nuclear war

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Partial Transcript: Okay. Turning to another topic. In the transcripts of the JFK Library interview with Dean Rusk, the statement is made that JFK brooded quite a bit about whether it would be his fate to push the nuclear button.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk describes President Kennedy's feelings toward Nuclear War and says that he would have only resorted to that if the United States itself was under nuclear attack.

Keywords: Cuban Missile Crisis; JFK Library; National Security Counsel; Oval Office; Richard Nixon

00:27:11 - Relationship with Robert Kennedy

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Partial Transcript: Now another question from the Kennedy Library tapes, transcripts: you say at one point that Robert Kennedy--and I think this is a quote--"wished you long gone." Was there a specific instance when Robert Kennedy actually tried to use his influence to have you removed?

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses his relationship with Robert Kennedy, who wanted Bill Moyers to replace him as Secretary of State.

Keywords: John Kennedy; Lyndon Johnson; Robert McNamara

00:31:01 - Relationship with Chester Bowles

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Partial Transcript: I'd like to turn to the relationship with Bowles, just for a minute.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses his professional and personal relationships with his Under Secretary Chester Bowles.

Keywords: Ambassador to India; Bay of Pigs; Foreign Service; John F. Kennedy; Rockefeller Foundation

00:40:50 - Kennedy meets with Sukarno

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Partial Transcript: I wanted to ask you--I know you won't like this question.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk talks about Achmed Sukarno, the first president of Indonesia, and his visit to Washington to meet with President Kennedy.

Keywords: Gina Lollobrigida; J. Edgar Hoover; Jacqueline Kennedy

00:45:00 - Time magazine / Staying out of poltics

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Partial Transcript: I came across another interesting event and an event in which Dean Rusk figured very prominently. And that was President Kennedy's forty-fifth birthday party.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses having a speech featured in Time magazine. He also says that he wants to stay out of politics in the future to avoid an invasion of privacy.

Keywords: Glenn Hoover; Mills College; Rockefeller Foundation; Westchester County Democratic Committee; William Sherman

00:50:55 - Vienna summit meeting

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Partial Transcript: Now this is another subject, jumping around here: At the Vienna Summit I read a report that Khrushchev berated Kennedy over his Bay of Pigs defeat. Do you remember that?

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses the Vienna summit meeting in 1961 between President Kennedy and Premier Nikita Khrushchev of the Soviet Union.

Keywords: Bay of Pigs; Berlin; Dwight Eisenhower; Laos; Moscow

00:55:19 - 'Most Favored Nations' treatment

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Partial Transcript: I just have one more question. This is kind of a substantive one. Were you at that time in favor of Most-Favored-Nations treatment for the Soviet Union, and do you still remain basically in favor of Most-Favored-Nations treatment for the Soviet Union in trade matters?

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses his opinion on the Most Favored Nations treatment of the Soviet Union in matters of trade.

Keywords: COCOM; Pentagon; Richard Nixon