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Rusk NNNNN, Dean Rusk interviewed by David Adelman and Sue Ellen Stokes, 1985 November 5

Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research and Studies, University of Georgia
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00:00:33 - Austrian State Treaty

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Partial Transcript: As a part of the background, we should remember that we had had great difficulty with the four-power arrangements for Germany following the surrender of Germany...

Segment Synopsis: Rusk discusses negotiations surrounding the Austrian State Treaty, which established Austria's statehood and declared the new country's neutrality. Rusk questions whether the treaty would have been formalized if negotiations had not coincided with a power transition in the Soviet Union.

Keywords: East Germany; Federal Republic of Germany; German Democratic Republic; Khrushchev; Llewellyn Thompson; Malenkov; USSR; West Germany; four-power arrangements; independence; occupation

00:05:33 - Austria after the war

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Partial Transcript: One recollection we've read had Bulganin in power.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk praises Austria's commitments to reconstructing the Vienna Opera House and providing sanctuary to Hungarian refugees. Rusk recalls rebuilding a Budapest medical facility and giving scholarships to Austrian and Hungarian students during his time as President of the Rockefeller Foundation. Rusk also talks about U.S. demobilization and the U.S.S.R's support of communist revolutionaries in Europe and the Middle East.

Keywords: Bulganin; Cold War; Malenkov; Nikolai Bulganin; Rockefeller; Stalin; USSR; communism; defense budget; disarmament; insurgencies; revolutions

00:10:29 - Ending the arms race

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Partial Transcript: ...looking at the people in the Kremlin today, what do you think are the prospects of any type of a similar treaty...

Segment Synopsis: From a 1985 perspective, Rusk discusses the plausibility of German reunification and nuclear disarmament. He comments on the restraint that nuclear weapon states (NWS) showed during the Cold War.

Keywords: Soviet Union; USSR; United States; compromise; major powers

00:14:30 - Future of crisis prevention treaties

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Partial Transcript: It's interesting to back up a little bit along the same lines as your statement.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk considers the prospect of implementing crisis prevention treaties like the Austrian State Treaty in Berlin, Afghanistan, and Nicaragua, and he weighs the value and motives of foreign intervention.

Keywords: AST; flashpoints; peace; powers; self-determinism; spheres of influence

00:19:58 - Russian military strategy / Avoiding escalation

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Partial Transcript: By and large, you won't find instances where the Russians have withdrawn the Red Army from any position that the Red Army has been able to establish.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk claims that Russia is sensitive to Western propaganda, citing examples of the Red Army pulling out of conflicts prematurely. Rusk also talks about avoiding nuclear war and comments on President Reagan's unexpectedly moderate crisis responses.

Keywords: Berlin airlift; East Germany; Ronald Reagan; Soviet Union; USSR; blockade; military strategy; resolve

00:24:17 - Strategic value of Austria and Germany

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Partial Transcript: I'd like to ask a question.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk contends that Russia only became willing to sign the Austrian State Treaty after realizing Austria held no strategic value. He argues that NATO and the U.S.S.R. were uncomfortable with the idea of German reunification and neutrality because of the country's strategic location and history of conflict.

Keywords: Malenkov; Soviet Union; USSR; flashpoint; peacekeeping; strategy