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RUSK LLLL, Dean Rusk interviewed by Richard Rusk and Thomas Schoenbaum circa 1985

Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research and Studies, University of Georgia
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00:00:37 - U.S. relationship with the U.S.S.R. post-WWII

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Partial Transcript: I'd like to start off with a general question.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses signs of strain in the U.S.'s relationship with the U.S.S.R. after WWII2. He shares examples from both during and after the war.

Keywords: Cold War; Fulton, Missouri speech; George Marshall; Iron Curtain; Marshall Plan; Soviet Union; United Nations Security Council; WWII; Winston Churchill; World War II; nuclear weapons

00:06:48 - U.S. support of decolonization

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Partial Transcript: And then moving into colonialism...

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk talks about the U.S.'s position on colonialism post-WWII. He shares the ideological and practical reasons that the U.S. supported decolonization.

Keywords: American Revolution; George Marshall; United Nations; Winston Churchill; World War II; less developed countries

00:12:50 - The partition of India

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Partial Transcript: In connection with India, reading over the history of that period and the documents...

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses the partition of India in 1947, focusing on the role of decolonization, the U.N., and religion.

Keywords: FDR; Franklin Roosevelt; Kashmir; Pakistan; U.N. Security Council; Winston Churchill

00:19:47 - Great Britain as a colonial power

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Partial Transcript: Evidently you weren't involved in that particular issue of Indian independence...

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk talks about Great Britain's relationship with its colonies, focusing on India. He discusses the extent to which Great Britain built up their colonies' infrastructures.

Keywords: Indian Independence; Labour Party; Richard Attlee; The Rockefeller Foundation; decolonization

00:23:41 - U.S. involvement in Africa post-decolonization

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Partial Transcript: Going back to the memos in the file, there's a very interesting memorandum...

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk explains why the U.S. held a minimal role in giving aid and helping develop African countries after their decolonization.

Keywords: ECA; Economic Cooperation Act; U.S. missionaries; colonialism; less developed countries

00:29:21 - U.S. trusteeship for Tripolitania / Improvements to decolonization process

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Partial Transcript: Turning to northern Africa, there the situation after the war was more immediate.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk shares why the proposed U.S. trusteeship for Tripolitania (one of three administrative divisions within Italian Libya and the Kingdom of Libya from 1934-1963) was never realized. He focuses on the response of Tripolitanian people. Later, he talks about ways that the process of decolonization could have been improved, emphasizing the need for more infrastructure and education.

Keywords: The Rockefeller Foundation; United Nations; WW2; WWII; World War 2; World War II; decolonization

00:34:31 - Independence of former Italian and French colonies in Africa

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Partial Transcript: The record shows that you were chairman of the international working group formed to determine the fate of the former Italian colonies after World War II.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk talks about the process of former Italian and French colonies becoming independent countries. He focuses the discussion mainly on Libya and Algeria.

Keywords: African Nationalists; Algerian Independence; Charles de Gaulle; Dependency Theory; Libyan Independence; colonialism; decolonization

00:39:39 - Role in decolonization of Indonesia

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Partial Transcript: Turning to Indonesia now, in connection with the Indonesian independence...

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk talks about his role within the U.N. in decolonizing Indonesia. He shares about the Dutch reaction throughout the process of decolonization.

Keywords: Agresi Militer Belanda II; Good Offices Commission; Operation Kraai; Second Dutch Military Aggression; U.N. General Assembly; politionele acties

00:44:02 - Comparison of decolonization of Indonesia and Indochina

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Partial Transcript: Jessup, in his book, The Birth of Nations, has an interesting account of that.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk talks about the similarities and differences between the decolonization of Indonesia and Indochina. He analyzes the differences between the Dutch and French governments' resources and levels of control over their colonies and U.S. involvement in each process.

Keywords: Cold War; Marshall Plan; NATO; North Atlantic Treaty Organization; Philip Caryl Jessup; communism

00:49:36 - U.N. role in Indonesian independence / Colonialism of Indonesia and the Soviet Union

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Partial Transcript: In connection with that second police action, there is a very interesting "eyes only" telegram from Rusk to Jessup...

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses the role of the U.N. in realizing the independence of Indonesia. Later, he talks about Indonesia as a colonial power in West New Guinea and the Soviet Union as a colonial power in Eastern Europe.

Keywords: Philip Caryl Jessup; U.S. unilateral action; United Nations Charter; United Nations Security Council; West Irian; decolonization

00:57:03 - Filipino Diplomat Carlos Romulo / Secretary of State George Marshall's relationship with President Harry S. Truman

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Partial Transcript: Another question I wanted to ask you is the role of Mr. Romulo of the Philippines.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk speaks about the character of Filipino Diplomat Carlos Romulo and his influence on the U.N. Later, he discusses George Marshall and his relationship with President Truman, focusing on their disagreement over the partition of Palestine.

Keywords: Cold War; Pacific NATO; Pacific North Atlantic Treaty Organization; SEATO; Southeast Asia Treaty Organization; U.N. General Assembly; communism