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RUSK KKKK, Dean Rusk interviewed by Richard Rusk and Thomas Schoenbaum circa 1984

Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research and Studies, University of Georgia
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00:00:00 - Proposing the Baruch Plan

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Partial Transcript: One of the ways to test an idea is to look at it from the reciprocal.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk considers whether the Baruch Plan, which he supported, could have been accomplished without performing the Trinity Test. He compares the Acheson-Lilienthal Report with the Baruch Plan, which included the possible Security Council sanctions. Rusk discusses Russian opposition to the plan.

Keywords: Azerbaijan Crisis; Baruch; Dean Acheson; George Marshall; Germany; Hiroshima; Truman; United Nations; arms race; verification; veto

00:09:32 - MacMillan Act / UN economic efforts / Economic theory and Arthur Schlesinger's critiques of Rusk

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Partial Transcript: But we had kept in very close touch with congressional leaders on the Baruch Plan.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk explains the MacMillan Act, which disrupted nuclear participation with Canada and Great Britain. He talks about UN attempts at economic regulation, including the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade and a world trade group, which the U.S. opposed. Rusk criticizes economic theory as unrealistic and responds to claims by Arthur Schlesinger.

Keywords: A Thousand Days; Arthur Schlesinger; Atomic energy Commission; GATT; George Ball; Kennedy; Manhattan Project; Trade Agreements Act; UK; comparative advantage; congress; multilateral economic organizations; national security; political economy; rationality

00:18:50 - U.S. and U.S.S.R. disarmament

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Partial Transcript: Just a last question on conventional armaments and your work in connection with the Commission on Conventional Disarmaments...

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about UN arms limitation efforts and NATO's Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction talks with the Soviet Union, stating that the USSR would not follow the U.S. example of disarmament due to a strategic interest in maintaining troops in Eastern Europe.

Keywords: MBFR; NATO; UN Disarmament Commission; UNDC; WMD; WWII; Warsaw; combat; demobilization; military; nuclear weapons

00:23:00 - The Jessup-Malik talks / Soviet diplomacy

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Partial Transcript: I'm about at the end.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk discusses conversations between U.S. ambassador Philip Jessup and Soviet UN ambassador Jacob Malik. He says the talks, which centered around a speech by Joseph Stalin, led to the lifting of the Berlin blockade. Rusk evaluates the USSR's diplomatic style, comparing the Jessup-Malik talks to the Kennan-Malik talks that precipitated the end of the Korean War.

Keywords: Berlin; East Germany; Foreign Relations; George Frost Kennan; Joseph Stalin; Panmunjom talks; airlift; blockade; currency