UGA Libraries Logo

Rusk KK, Interview with Dean Rusk, circa 1985

Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research and Studies, University of Georgia
Toggle Index/Transcript View Switch.
Search this Index
00:00:04 - Introduction

Play segment

Partial Transcript: This is an interview with Dean Rusk with Tom Ganschow and Thomas Schoenbaum continuation of the China previous China tape.

Segment Synopsis: Tom Schoenbaum introduces the interview tape.

00:00:15 - China and the Korean War

Play segment

Partial Transcript: There are two small footnotes that I might put into the record here involving China.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk adds a few small footnotes about China during the Korean War. He first mentions China-Taiwan relations, and then he talks about how the Korean problem should not be merged with China. Rusk talks more about US-China policies during the Korean War.

Keywords: Chiang Kai-Shek; Dean Acheson; Formosa; Korean War; Republic of China; Taiwan

00:17:06 - The atomic bomb and the Vietnam and Korean War

Play segment

Partial Transcript: Let me preface the next question with a little story myself.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about why it would not be useful to use the Atomic Bomb in Vietnam or North Korea. He assured that there was no consideration because there were no nuclear targets, industrial bases, etc.

Keywords: Hanoi; Madame Chiang Kai-shek; Taiwan; Vietnam War; civilians

00:22:04 - Recognizing China

Play segment

Partial Transcript: This is a question that is right at the beginning of the Korean War and I'm asking this from a person who is a student of China.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about the circumstances on why the US did not recognize communist China even though Britain decided among other countries to recognize them.

Keywords: Great Britain; Indochina; Lord Spencer; Oliver Franks; Peking; Seventh Fleet; Taiwan; Taiwan Straight; UK; Winston Churchill; communism

00:26:53 - Foreign policy formulation

Play segment

Partial Transcript: Can I ask, what was the process of policy formulation?

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about how foreign policy is formulated within the State Department. Rusk also mentions how policy ideas can come from anywhere in the government. He had hired Charlton Ogburn to conduct research on new ideas and challenges for US foreign policy.

Keywords: Assistant Secretary for Far Eastern Affairs; Charlton Ogburn; Geographic Bureau; Point Four proposal; Secretary of Defense; Secretary of State; State Department

00:29:26 - Intelligence

Play segment

Partial Transcript: I'm going to ask you a very straightforward question.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about the information that the government had before the Chinese attack in the Korean War. He mentions how it was a surprise to him, and no one in the intelligence community informed Rusk of an attack.

Keywords: Chinese; Korean War; broadcasts; failure; intelligence

00:40:48 - General MacArthur

Play segment

Partial Transcript: In terms of the MacArthur-Truman so-called controversy, did you get embroiled in that at all, or did you try to stay away from it?

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about the circumstances and his involvement in General MacArthur's dismissal during the Korean War.

Keywords: Commander-in-Chief; Dean Acheson; General MacArthur; Harry S Truman; Joint Chiefs of Staff; Speaker Joseph Martin; The Chicago Tribune; ambassadors

00:50:44 - Rusk's involvement in keeping US troops in Korea after Chinese invasion

Play segment

Partial Transcript: Once the Chinese came in, or that moment you learned that the Chinese came in, were you absolutely shocked at that?

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about his role in the decision not to withdraw US troops out of Korea after the Chinese invasion.

Keywords: Dean Acheson; Erwin Rommel; Franklin Delano Roosevelt; General MacArthur; Leningrad; Moscow; Present at the Creation; President Truman; Stalingrad; port of Pusan

00:54:25 - Mutual Defense Assistance Act

Play segment

Partial Transcript: How bout the -- Were you involved at all with the Mutual Defense Assistance Act with, towards Taiwan, with Taiwan at that time.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about the Mutual Defense Assistance Act towards Taiwan, and how it was a response to the Korean War and to Chinese Involvement.

Keywords: Alexander Wiley; China; China Lobby; Congress; House Foreign Affairs Committee; Korean War; Mutual Defense Assistance Act; Senator Knowland; Taiwan; Walter Judd

00:57:49 - The Soviet Union and China's relationship

Play segment

Partial Transcript: I've asked you this question before one time, Professor Rusk.

Segment Synopsis: Rusk talks about how the relationship between the Soviet Union and China was not as close as it appeared. China did not follow the beat of the Soviet Union's drum. Rusk clarifies one of his statements that has since been misconstrued.

Keywords: China; Kennedy; Mao Tse-tung; Middle Kingdom; Roosevelt; Slavic Manchuqua; Soviet Union; Stalin