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Rusk 7A, Dean Rusk interviewed by Richard Rusk and Uri Ra’anan, Part 1, circa 1985

Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research and Studies, University of Georgia
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00:00:01 - Importance of bipartisanship

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Partial Transcript: We will have about a two hour session today and we hope a bit more than three hours tomorrow and we will try to cover a number of topics and also a general topic, and perhaps that is something with which we can start.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk talks about the importance of bipartisanship in the conduction of foreign relations and the creation of national policy.

Keywords: Arthur Vandenburg; Dwight Eisenhower; Earl Warren; Harry Kissinger; Harry Truman; John Kennedy; Lyndon Johnson

00:08:40 - Micro-Management in the White House

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Partial Transcript: It struck me that what made it a little easier was neither the White House in that period, nor the Congress went into micro-management of affairs.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses the growing problem of micro-management in the White House and Congress, and talks about how that affects the professionalism of the Department of State.

Keywords: British Civil Service; Foreign Service of the United States; General Accounting Office; Otto von Bismark; Richard Russell

00:19:54 - Patterns in policy making

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Partial Transcript: You were saying before that the professionalism shown by the fact that in their outgoing cables, individual officers knew very well what the policy was and one didn't have to rewrite it which leads me to a major question.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk talks about policy making and says that one has to continuously rethink patterns of policy in response to world changes.

Keywords: Dean Acheson; John Foster Dulles; John Kennedy; Lyndon Johnson; NATO; Oxford University; President Nasser; Southeast Asia Treaty; United Nations Charter; Vietnam War

00:31:38 - Institutionalization of policy making

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Partial Transcript: To come back to policy and the number one question: how does one institutionalize policy-making?

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses the institutionalization of policy-making through the creation of various decision-making bodies in the State Department.

Keywords: Dwight Eisenhower; Executive Committee of the National Security Council; George Kennan; George Marshall; Gerald Ford; Harry Truman; Jimmy Carter; John F Kennedy; Lyndon Johnson; Paul Nitze; Richard Nixon; Ronald Reagan; The National Security Policy Council

00:43:28 - Policy and the Soviet Union

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Partial Transcript: Let me come to an area of very direct professional interest. For a long period the making of policy vis-a-vis the Soviet Union has been bedeviled by two problems.

Segment Synopsis: Dean Rusk discusses the relationship between the Soviet Union and the United States and talks about how it affects the making of policy that deals with the Soviet Union.

Keywords: Andrei Gromyko; Czechoslovakia; Hungary; Lyndon Johnson; NATO; Poland; Rumania; Winston Churchill